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[SOLVED] Running with Scissors (Scissors causing flickering)
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:21 pm
by SelfDotX
[SOLVED] Seems the issue was the MSAA setting - I had it on 0, changed it to 1, works like a charm. Thanks again Bigfoot for all your help.
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The code below produces extreme flickering. I'm looking to understand why, and how to fix it. This was something of an experiment to see if I could save on some draw calls by 'ignoring' a part of the screen after drawing what I need there once. I can see that it's "working", poked around in love.run() but nothing I did stopped the flickering.
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local heartbeat = 0
local heartbeatrise = true
local curColor = { 1, 1, 1, 1 }
function love.load()
love.graphics.setColor(0, 1, 0, 1)
love.graphics.rectangle("fill", 0, 0, 800, 600)
love.graphics.setScissor(0, 0, 400, 600)
end
function love.update(dt)
--Heartbeat timer
if (heartbeatrise) then
heartbeat = heartbeat + dt
if (heartbeat >= 1) then
heartbeat, heartbeatrise = 1, false
curColor = { 1, 1, 1, 1 }
end
else
heartbeat = heartbeat - dt
if (heartbeat <= 0) then
heartbeat, heartbeatrise = 0, true
curColor = { 1, 0, 0, 1 }
end
end
end
function love.draw()
love.graphics.setColor(curColor)
love.graphics.rectangle("fill", 0, 0, 400, 600)
end
Re: Running with Scissors
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:10 pm
by Bigfoot71
Here is the result for me, I have no flickering unless I misunderstood the problem:
Re: Running with Scissors
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:20 pm
by SelfDotX
Nope, no misunderstanding - for me the green side flickers black/green 60x a second - must be either a graphics/driver setting on my end. Any ideas where to start troubleshooting?
Re: Running with Scissors
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:34 pm
by Bigfoot71
First I will check for driver updates, otherwise I found this page which talks about it for OpenGL and which describes the same problem as you, it would apparently be a double buffering problem.
https://anirudhsasikumar.net/blog/2006.03.04.html
However, I don't currently see how to replicate what is shown in the OpenGL example in love2d for your case, I'm looking on my side, otherwise someone else might already have the solution.
Edit: You could try this but it's only theoretical since I can't reproduce it on my hardware:
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local heartbeat = 0
local heartbeatrise = true
local curColor = { 1, 1, 1, 1 }
function love.load()
-- We draw once --
love.graphics.setColor(0, 1, 0, 1)
love.graphics.rectangle("fill", 0, 0, 800, 600)
-- Render it, so that the previous rectangle is in the back buffer --
love.graphics.present()
-- Redraw the rectangle in front buffer --
love.graphics.rectangle("fill", 0, 0, 800, 600)
-- Apply the scissors --
love.graphics.setScissor(0, 0, 400, 600)
end
function love.update(dt)
--Heartbeat timer
if (heartbeatrise) then
heartbeat = heartbeat + dt
if (heartbeat >= 1) then
heartbeat, heartbeatrise = 1, false
curColor = { 1, 1, 1, 1 }
end
else
heartbeat = heartbeat - dt
if (heartbeat <= 0) then
heartbeat, heartbeatrise = 0, true
curColor = { 1, 0, 0, 1 }
end
end
end
function love.draw()
love.graphics.setColor(curColor)
love.graphics.rectangle("fill", 0, 0, 400, 600)
end
Re: Running with Scissors
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:16 pm
by SelfDotX
Thanks for helping out, unfortunately a driver update and the code above haven't solved the issue. The only driver setting that dealt with buffers was the 'TripleBuffering' setting for Nvidia GTX 980 - both on and off no change. Oh well, it's not the end of the world. Thanks again!
Re: Running with Scissors
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:07 pm
by pgimeno
I'm not sure why it works in the first place. The graphics driver assumes that you will update the whole screen in every frame. Just don't do that. Use a canvas if you want to leave a part of the screen static, and draw it every frame.
Re: Running with Scissors
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:33 pm
by Bigfoot71
pgimeno wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:07 pm
I'm not sure why it works in the first place. The graphics driver assumes that you will update the whole screen in every frame. Just don't do that. Use a canvas if you want to leave a part of the screen static, and draw it every frame.
I had considered suggesting the use of a canvas to work around the refresh issues associated with using scissors but figured that using a canvas might have a greater impact on performance (although that this remains minimal in any case), because the display must be refreshed at each frame in the area where the canvas is displayed unlike the scissors (unless I'm wrong about the implementation of the scissors in love2d?)
Okay the canvas will still limit the display calculations but think it's a shame to give up a useful feature just because of a compatibility issue. Besides, there must be a solution.
Re: Running with Scissors
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:48 pm
by SelfDotX
I had meant to include in the OP that I was aware this was easily solvable with other methods. Scissors, by their very definition, and specifically that they clip graphics.clear(), lead me to believe updating only a part of the screen was possible, so that's what I tried - it didn't work for me, but clearly it does work. I have a feeling it has something to do with a very specific graphics card feature/technology/api that I got unlucky on.
Re: Running with Scissors
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:14 pm
by Bigfoot71
Well it's very strange, the gif I shared above was made on an NVidia Quadro NVS 160M (so an old thing)
So I just tried it on a GTX 980 on Parrot Linux and proprietary driver (all info on the left) and it works too. Strange...
But it is at least the proof that there is necessarily a solution.
Re: Running with Scissors
Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:31 pm
by SelfDotX
Really appreciate you looking into it this much. I might try downgrading to the 470 drivers see if that does anything... Other than that there's not a lot I can think of to change on my system.