Survey: Do You Support Framebuffers and/or Non-Po2 [RERUN]

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After completing the test, what does the "You Support: ..." text say? (excluding FB sizes)

Nothing
7
10%
Framebuffers
2
3%
Framebuffers, Non-Po2 Framebuffers
0
No votes
Framebuffers, Non-Po2 Images
1
1%
Framebuffers, Non-Po2 Framebuffers, Non-Po2 Images
52
75%
Non-Po2 Images
7
10%
 
Total votes: 69

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Re: Survey: Do You Support Framebuffers and/or Non-Po2 [RERU

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Specs: Lenovo Thinkpad X61 Tablet, Intel Core 2 Duo L7500, Intel GMA X3100, 4GB RAM, Windows 7 32-bit

You support:
Framebuffers
Non-Po2 Framebuffers
Non-Po2 Images
Framebuffers up to the size 4096 x 4096
Power of 3 Framebuffers up to the size 2187 x 2187
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Re: Survey: Do You Support Framebuffers and/or Non-Po2 [RERU

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On my work PC: HP Compaq 6000 Pro, Duo E8500 CPU, 4GB RAM, Intel Express Q45/Q43 gfx (AKA 'steaming pile of junk'):

You support:
Framebuffers
Non-Po2 Framebuffers
Non-Po2 Images
Framebuffers up to the size 4096 x 4096
Power of 3 Framebuffers up to the size 2187 x 2187
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Re: Survey: Do You Support Framebuffers and/or Non-Po2 [RERU

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There's a decent list of video cards which support framebuffers/canvases here: http://www.kludx.com/capability.php?capability=512 and a bigger one here: http://feedback.wildfiregames.com/repor ... fer_object , and a list of cards which support non power of 2 images http://feedback.wildfiregames.com/repor ... wer_of_two (there will never be a case where a video card supports npo2 images and regular framebuffers but doesn't support npo2 framebuffers, because images and framebuffers both use opengl 2d textures).
The wildfire games reports also list max texture sizes for all video cards, among many other things.
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ATI Radeon HD 6850, AMD Phenom X4 965 (iirc)

Framebuffers, Non-Po2

Framebuffers up to the size 32768^2
Po3 Framebuffers up to the size 19683^2
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Re: Survey: Do You Support Framebuffers and/or Non-Po2 [RERU

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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570M on Windows 7 x64

Framebuffers, npot framebuffers, npot images
Framebuffers up to size 16384x16384
Po3 framebuffers up to size 19683x19683
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Re: Survey: Do You Support Framebuffers and/or Non-Po2 [RERU

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GT120 256, Duo Core, OSX Snow Leo

With 0.7.2
Framebuffers, Non-Po2 Framebuffers, Non-Po2 Images
Hangs and crashes in max size test.

With 0.8
Non-Po2 Images only
Max Size Test? Don't hang, don't crash, don't do nothing even after some minutes.

Crash Log

Code: Select all

Exception Type:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGBUS)
Exception Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE at 0x0000000000000000
Crashed Thread:  0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Thread 0 Crashed:  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   com.apple.GeForceGLDriver     	0x8f0d975f gldAttachDrawable + 2655
1   com.apple.GeForceGLDriver     	0x8f1a42f8 gldUpdateDispatch + 15176
2   com.apple.GeForceGLDriver     	0x8f1a4bfe gldFinish + 702
3   com.apple.opengl              	0x955a703c CGLFlushDrawable + 67
4   SDL                           	0x0055138b SDL_SoftStretch + 14171
5   SDL                           	0x005453d7 SDL_GL_SwapBuffers + 39
6   org.love2d.love               	0x00060c15 love::graphics::opengl::w_present(lua_State*) + 19
7   com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x0059f623 luaD_precall + 890
8   com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x005b65f7 luaV_execute + 7461
9   com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x0059f895 luaD_call + 165
10  com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x00595145 f_call + 48
11  com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x0059eaba luaD_rawrunprotected + 73
12  com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x0059fc04 luaD_pcall + 99
13  com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x005951ea lua_pcall + 163
14  com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x0059acfd luaB_xpcall + 104
15  com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x0059f623 luaD_precall + 890
16  com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x005b65f7 luaV_execute + 7461
17  com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x0059f895 luaD_call + 165
18  com.yourcompany.Lua           	0x005950eb lua_call + 67
19  org.love2d.love               	0x0002fd94 SDL_main + 452
20  org.love2d.love               	0x00089447 -[SDLMain applicationDidFinishLaunching:] + 95
21  com.apple.Foundation          	0x90f9adb3 _nsnote_callback + 176
22  com.apple.CoreFoundation      	0x927c2763 __CFXNotificationPost + 947
23  com.apple.CoreFoundation      	0x927c216a _CFXNotificationPostNotification + 186
24  com.apple.Foundation          	0x90f8fc50 -[NSNotificationCenter postNotificationName:object:userInfo:] + 128
25  com.apple.Foundation          	0x90f9d05d -[NSNotificationCenter postNotificationName:object:] + 56
26  com.apple.AppKit              	0x9a305216 -[NSApplication _postDidFinishNotification] + 125
27  com.apple.AppKit              	0x9a305126 -[NSApplication _sendFinishLaunchingNotification] + 74
28  com.apple.AppKit              	0x9a51e9c5 -[NSApplication(NSAppleEventHandling) _handleAEOpenDocumentsForURLs:] + 975
29  com.apple.AppKit              	0x9a45bfe0 -[NSApplication(NSAppleEventHandling) _handleCoreEvent:withReplyEvent:] + 236
30  com.apple.Foundation          	0x90fd01f8 -[NSAppleEventManager dispatchRawAppleEvent:withRawReply:handlerRefCon:] + 511
31  com.apple.Foundation          	0x90fcffbc _NSAppleEventManagerGenericHandler + 228
32  com.apple.AE                  	0x935eef5c aeDispatchAppleEvent(AEDesc const*, AEDesc*, unsigned long, unsigned char*) + 166
33  com.apple.AE                  	0x935eee5b dispatchEventAndSendReply(AEDesc const*, AEDesc*) + 43
34  com.apple.AE                  	0x935eed65 aeProcessAppleEvent + 197
35  com.apple.HIToolbox           	0x97e9a197 AEProcessAppleEvent + 50
36  com.apple.AppKit              	0x9a2d57d2 _DPSNextEvent + 1420
37  com.apple.AppKit              	0x9a2d4dd6 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 156
38  com.apple.AppKit              	0x9a2971f3 -[NSApplication run] + 821
39  org.love2d.love               	0x00089cbc main + 1882
40  org.love2d.love               	0x0002fa66 start + 54

Thread 1:  Dispatch queue: com.apple.libdispatch-manager
0   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a040382 kevent + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a040a9c _dispatch_mgr_invoke + 215
2   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a03ff59 _dispatch_queue_invoke + 163
3   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a03fcfe _dispatch_worker_thread2 + 240
4   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a03f781 _pthread_wqthread + 390
5   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a03f5c6 start_wqthread + 30

Thread 2:
0   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a019b5a semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a0476e1 _pthread_cond_wait + 1066
2   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a0765a8 pthread_cond_timedwait_relative_np + 47
3   com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     	0x955d33ab CAGuard::WaitFor(unsigned long long) + 219
4   com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     	0x955d63dd CAGuard::WaitUntil(unsigned long long) + 289
5   com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     	0x955d3cda HP_IOThread::WorkLoop() + 1892
6   com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     	0x955d3571 HP_IOThread::ThreadEntry(HP_IOThread*) + 17
7   com.apple.audio.CoreAudio     	0x955d3488 CAPThread::Entry(CAPThread*) + 140
8   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a047259 _pthread_start + 345
9   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a0470de thread_start + 34

Thread 3:
0   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a019c0e mach_wait_until + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a0a1429 nanosleep + 345
2   SDL                           	0x0055a453 SDL_Delay + 99
3   org.love2d.love               	0x0003c65d love::audio::openal::Audio::run(void*) + 35
4   SDL                           	0x0054becd SDL_Linked_Version + 397
5   SDL                           	0x0055a1f1 SDL_SemWait + 49
6   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a047259 _pthread_start + 345
7   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a0470de thread_start + 34

Thread 4:
0   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a019c0e mach_wait_until + 10
1   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a0a1429 nanosleep + 345
2   SDL                           	0x0055a5c3 SDL_Delay + 467
3   SDL                           	0x0054becd SDL_Linked_Version + 397
4   SDL                           	0x0055a1f1 SDL_SemWait + 49
5   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a047259 _pthread_start + 345
6   libSystem.B.dylib             	0x9a0470de thread_start + 34

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
  eax: 0xe00002c2  ebx: 0x8f1a4001  ecx: 0xbfffe39c  edx: 0xe00002c2
  edi: 0xbfffe350  esi: 0x17294000  ebp: 0xbfffe2d8  esp: 0xbfffe2d8
   ss: 0x0000001f  efl: 0x00010296  eip: 0x8f0d975f   cs: 0x00000017
   ds: 0x0000001f   es: 0x0000001f   fs: 0x00000000   gs: 0x00000037
  cr2: 0x00000000


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Re: Survey: Do You Support Framebuffers and/or Non-Po2 [RERU

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Framebuffers, Non-Po2 Framebuffers, Non-Po2 Images

Specs:
OS:
MS Windows 7 Home Premium EDIT: 64-bit
CPU:
Intel Celeron T3100 @ 1.90GHz
Penryn 45nm Technology
RAM:
3.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR2 @ 332MHz
MOTHERBOARD:
Hewlett-Packard 3069 (CPU)
GRAPHICS:
Generic PnP Monitor (1366x768@60Hz)
Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family
HARD DRIVES:
313GB SAMSUNG SAMSUNG HM320II ATA Device (SATA)
AUDIO:
IDT High Definition Audio CODEC

I'm not an expert so I don't really know is this is crap or not, can somebody tell me?
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Re: Survey: Do You Support Framebuffers and/or Non-Po2 [RERU

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coffee wrote: With 0.8
Non-Po2 Images only
Max Size Test? Don't hang, don't crash, don't do nothing even after some minutes.
0.8.0 breaks several things. Framebuffer is now Canvas, and the OpenGL version requirements are higher.
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As was shown in the wilfiregames link I posted above, ~91% of video card/driver combinations support framebuffers/canvases, and ~86% support non power of two images (although in love 0.8.0 images are auto-padded if there is no npo2 video card support - but canvases are not).

Additionally in love 0.8.0 you can test for support with love.graphics.isSupported("canvas") and love.graphics.isSupported("npot") (although the last one is usually unnecessary because of the padding).
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Here's a real simple test using the new love.graphics.isSupported function:
gfxsupport-0.8.0.love
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My new results are:
Pass: NPOT
Fail: Canvas
Fail: PixelEffects

I have to say this is quite disheartening. My graphics card went from being awesome to being pitiful. :cry:

I can live without shaders. However, taking away my FrameBuffers for full OpenGL 3.0 coverage seems... overzealous.
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