Re: Male or Female
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:17 am
First programmer in the world:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace
(not counting Eve, of course)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_Lovelace
(not counting Eve, of course)
That only proves that the people writing the laws (guess what! mostly men) have certain prejudices.Atton wrote:In fact the cowardice of women is reflected in law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_ ... n_of_women
Assange, Snowden and Swartz did risky and brave things, but were hoping to get away with it without getting caught. I don't think either of them "signed a death warrant". Even if some (very vocal) groups have claimed for their deaths, I don't think they risked it under the US law or the Swedish law (which abolished capital punishment in 1910).Atton wrote:Few women would ever sign there death warrant for what they believed in, Edward Snowden, Juilan Assange, Aaron Swartz all did exactly that not even a decade ago.
The western word isn't even the majority of the world.Atton wrote:You can't force women to register for military service in the western world, you can't take there license and force them to sign away there freedom like you can do men. They have greater politcal power however do not have greater responsibility, I think that is reason to refer to them as cowards.
I think it would have been better if I simply restricted my posting to women in the first world. I think I should update my position in saying that I do have believe my statement applies to women of the third world. I have by orders of magnitude more respect and sympathy for women of the third world and china rather than the cretins in the first world.kikito wrote:That only proves that the people writing the laws (guess what! mostly men) have certain prejudices.Atton wrote:In fact the cowardice of women is reflected in law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_ ... n_of_women
Assange, Snowden and Swartz did risky and brave things, but were hoping to get away with it without getting caught. I don't think either of them "signed a death warrant". Even if some (very vocal) groups have claimed for their deaths, I don't think they risked it under the US law or the Swedish law (which abolished capital punishment in 1910).Atton wrote:Few women would ever sign there death warrant for what they believed in, Edward Snowden, Juilan Assange, Aaron Swartz all did exactly that not even a decade ago.
Swartz was never in danger of death, although he committed suicide. That's tragic and sad, but not brave.
There's plenty of examples of women doing brave things and risking their own lives in the world. You might not have heard about them if you look outside the tech bubble. The most recent case I know is Mariam Yahia Ibrahim Ishag, who was jailed in Sudan and put in the death row for marrying a Christian man. She had to give birth in shackles, in a Sudan prison. I imagine that's worse than the embassy of Ecuador in London, even if they serve British food.
The western word isn't even the majority of the world.Atton wrote:You can't force women to register for military service in the western world, you can't take there license and force them to sign away there freedom like you can do men. They have greater politcal power however do not have greater responsibility, I think that is reason to refer to them as cowards.
There are some countries out there where women are treated as "second class citizens" (compared to men). In Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, women under the authority of their fathers while unmarried, and their husbands after marriage.
In India which is the second most populated country in the world, there's one rape report every 22 minutes - there's no way to tell how many go unreported. And marital rape is not a criminal offense (except when spouses are separated).
China, the most populated country in the world, has a long history of female infanticide and sex-selective abortion.
Without going to the extremes, even the "Western countries" that you mention don't fare super well when you consider gender equality as a whole (instead of conveniently picking some particular laws of some particular countries).Even the most-egalitarian country in the world (Iceland) scores only 0.85 in a scale where 1 is total equality and 0 total inequality. Canada and the US are in the 0.7 range (better than, say, Sudan, yes, but still non-equal).
By your own logic, if we had to judge women by what happens to them "on average", they would not qualify as "cowards", but "long-time victims of abuses, some times mortal". I will leave you to deduce how do men fare on that comparison.
Note that I am not a particularly fierce or well-informed feminist. I could find all this information with 3 or 4 google searches in around 20 minutes - it took me longer to write the post. I suggest you spend some time doing some research before giving your opinion about serious stuff like this in the future.
Haha this is one of the least liberal forums I have seen, everything is finely organized into sub forums and mods insure people stay 95% on topic or so (don't get me wrong it's good this way however it would not be true to claim the other)bartbes wrote:I know we're usually quite liberal with off-topicness here, but I'd rather we didn't go into such off-topic and controversial subjects on these forums. Of course you're welcome to continue discussing somewhere else, but this isn't the place.