Page 2 of 3
Re: completely lost.
Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:10 pm
by Ensayia
My point was that PIL does not teach program design or general computer programming concepts. Unless he has somewhat of a CS background or is one of those people that can learn something just by reading it, he's going to have to start doing a heavy amount of tinkering alongside his reading.
Re: completely lost.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:10 am
by kingslovelua
im gone for a day or two and a fight breaks out.
Re: completely lost.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:28 am
by BlackBulletIV
kingslovelua wrote:im gone for a day or two and a fight breaks out.
That's not a fight, just a small misunderstanding or disagreement. A flame war is what I'd call a fight (and that doesn't really happen around here).
Re: completely lost.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:55 am
by Robin
BlackBulletIV wrote:A flame war is what I'd call a fight (and that doesn't really happen around here).
... that often.
Re: completely lost.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:30 am
by bartbes
I didn't even read any aggression until you mentioned a fight.. I suppose you could interpret it like that, but I doubt it's meant that way.
Re: completely lost.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:47 am
by kraftman
bartbes wrote:I didn't even read any aggression until you mentioned a fight.. I suppose you could interpret it like that, but I doubt it's meant that way.
People find aggression where they want to.
Go fuck yourselves.
Re: completely lost.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:42 am
by BlackBulletIV
Robin wrote:BlackBulletIV wrote:A flame war is what I'd call a fight (and that doesn't really happen around here).
... that often.
Yeah, hence the "really".
kraftman wrote:Go fuck yourselves.
*starts massive flame war*
Re: completely lost.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:14 pm
by tentus
BlackBulletIV wrote:
*starts massive flame war*
Code: Select all
.:$++++?????N:.
D+~~++++??????7D
.$=~~~+++???????I$O
~??~~~?+++????????$$N
???+?????????????I7$$=
~Z?8???????????8?$ DM7Z
: ??????????????IN MO7I
M 8??????????????M ZMM7D
NO7??????????????MNMMD$$
DMM??????????????MDDD8$7N
.7DD??????????????78DO7778
N???????????????????7777$O.
.78?????=???????????I77N$$D ..=.
.Z78$?????????????7DN~N$$$~ .Z7O
.D7$7DNZII7Z8DOZZZZZM$$$O. =.$$$
=$77DZZZZZZ7?===~M$$$8 ..~.$$$.
,D77OD7======87$777, :D=87$$I
...O8$$ZOZ$77$$$7N+ . ~+?7$$?$.
..:DI$$$7ZZ7$$$$$7???I8.. :7777$+778.
.87???II$Z?::7Z$$$I????????OO. .. ?7$$7$I=?7.
II8???????8?+.,::,:7???????????????I?78 ~=$I7$$I~?..
=8+??????????8Z..... ...???????????????7$I7O ..=I+=I$+~~8ZO
=I???????????8...........Z???????????+N777D .8====$~==I$+.
.D??????II78,.......,....I7I??????I7$ZZD,. O==+===+$$?.
ZM+=+77+..Z..........,..,?I7$O=77~... .I=~=~$$Z
.... ...~..............Z??IIZ. 7==?+$7Z
...................$????7. .?8.
...................Z?????7. N?8
....................I??????. DI?I
..~.................D??????$. O$7I.
.?=+8..... ......,,::8???????$ D$$78
.Z++++~,.....,,:~~~~~8+~~??????O. .$DZ$$$~:
7::=++Z~:,,,::~:,:~~+=~~=??????IDOD8OZZZZZZZ~~
D::=++?7$~:,,::::,~::$=~=???????78ZZZZZZZZZD+.
.+=+??I7777$~,:~:,:~,:I?????????I7$OZZZZZZZIZ
.??I7$$$77777N:,:,,:,,,ZI????II77$$DZZZOZ+I.
.8$7777$$77777$$ZN7,::,,Z$$777777$$M7?++D..
.8$$77$$77O$ N$77777777N=
.8?ID$7$$$$7$. ?777$$$77D.
7.N,:~I7$ZNZ,.. O7$$$$$77N:
.D.8:I$... $$$8Z7=$Z.O
. ,D:.ND?:N
.+O
I choose you!
Re: completely lost.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:13 pm
by kingslovelua
tentus wrote:BlackBulletIV wrote:
*starts massive flame war*
Code: Select all
.:$++++?????N:.
D+~~++++??????7D
.$=~~~+++???????I$O
~??~~~?+++????????$$N
???+?????????????I7$$=
~Z?8???????????8?$ DM7Z
: ??????????????IN MO7I
M 8??????????????M ZMM7D
NO7??????????????MNMMD$$
DMM??????????????MDDD8$7N
.7DD??????????????78DO7778
N???????????????????7777$O.
.78?????=???????????I77N$$D ..=.
.Z78$?????????????7DN~N$$$~ .Z7O
.D7$7DNZII7Z8DOZZZZZM$$$O. =.$$$
=$77DZZZZZZ7?===~M$$$8 ..~.$$$.
,D77OD7======87$777, :D=87$$I
...O8$$ZOZ$77$$$7N+ . ~+?7$$?$.
..:DI$$$7ZZ7$$$$$7???I8.. :7777$+778.
.87???II$Z?::7Z$$$I????????OO. .. ?7$$7$I=?7.
II8???????8?+.,::,:7???????????????I?78 ~=$I7$$I~?..
=8+??????????8Z..... ...???????????????7$I7O ..=I+=I$+~~8ZO
=I???????????8...........Z???????????+N777D .8====$~==I$+.
.D??????II78,.......,....I7I??????I7$ZZD,. O==+===+$$?.
ZM+=+77+..Z..........,..,?I7$O=77~... .I=~=~$$Z
.... ...~..............Z??IIZ. 7==?+$7Z
...................$????7. .?8.
...................Z?????7. N?8
....................I??????. DI?I
..~.................D??????$. O$7I.
.?=+8..... ......,,::8???????$ D$$78
.Z++++~,.....,,:~~~~~8+~~??????O. .$DZ$$$~:
7::=++Z~:,,,::~:,:~~+=~~=??????IDOD8OZZZZZZZ~~
D::=++?7$~:,,::::,~::$=~=???????78ZZZZZZZZZD+.
.+=+??I7777$~,:~:,:~,:I?????????I7$OZZZZZZZIZ
.??I7$$$77777N:,:,,:,,,ZI????II77$$DZZZOZ+I.
.8$7777$$77777$$ZN7,::,,Z$$777777$$M7?++D..
.8$$77$$77O$ N$77777777N=
.8?ID$7$$$$7$. ?777$$$77D.
7.N,:~I7$ZNZ,.. O7$$$$$77N:
.D.8:I$... $$$8Z7=$Z.O
. ,D:.ND?:N
.+O
I choose you!
funny, but sorry for the misunderstanding. so what most of you are saying best way to learn is looking at others code and going back to a book for reference.
Re: completely lost.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:31 pm
by tentus
kingslovelua wrote:tentus wrote:BlackBulletIV wrote:
*starts massive flame war*
Code: Select all
.:$++++?????N:.
D+~~++++??????7D
.$=~~~+++???????I$O
~??~~~?+++????????$$N
???+?????????????I7$$=
~Z?8???????????8?$ DM7Z
: ??????????????IN MO7I
M 8??????????????M ZMM7D
NO7??????????????MNMMD$$
DMM??????????????MDDD8$7N
.7DD??????????????78DO7778
N???????????????????7777$O.
.78?????=???????????I77N$$D ..=.
.Z78$?????????????7DN~N$$$~ .Z7O
.D7$7DNZII7Z8DOZZZZZM$$$O. =.$$$
=$77DZZZZZZ7?===~M$$$8 ..~.$$$.
,D77OD7======87$777, :D=87$$I
...O8$$ZOZ$77$$$7N+ . ~+?7$$?$.
..:DI$$$7ZZ7$$$$$7???I8.. :7777$+778.
.87???II$Z?::7Z$$$I????????OO. .. ?7$$7$I=?7.
II8???????8?+.,::,:7???????????????I?78 ~=$I7$$I~?..
=8+??????????8Z..... ...???????????????7$I7O ..=I+=I$+~~8ZO
=I???????????8...........Z???????????+N777D .8====$~==I$+.
.D??????II78,.......,....I7I??????I7$ZZD,. O==+===+$$?.
ZM+=+77+..Z..........,..,?I7$O=77~... .I=~=~$$Z
.... ...~..............Z??IIZ. 7==?+$7Z
...................$????7. .?8.
...................Z?????7. N?8
....................I??????. DI?I
..~.................D??????$. O$7I.
.?=+8..... ......,,::8???????$ D$$78
.Z++++~,.....,,:~~~~~8+~~??????O. .$DZ$$$~:
7::=++Z~:,,,::~:,:~~+=~~=??????IDOD8OZZZZZZZ~~
D::=++?7$~:,,::::,~::$=~=???????78ZZZZZZZZZD+.
.+=+??I7777$~,:~:,:~,:I?????????I7$OZZZZZZZIZ
.??I7$$$77777N:,:,,:,,,ZI????II77$$DZZZOZ+I.
.8$7777$$77777$$ZN7,::,,Z$$777777$$M7?++D..
.8$$77$$77O$ N$77777777N=
.8?ID$7$$$$7$. ?777$$$77D.
7.N,:~I7$ZNZ,.. O7$$$$$77N:
.D.8:I$... $$$8Z7=$Z.O
. ,D:.ND?:N
.+O
I choose you!
funny, but sorry for the misunderstanding. so what most of you are saying best way to learn is looking at others code and going back to a book for reference.
Look at other people's code, but more importantly, write your own code. We have a handful of tutorials on the wiki, they're good starting places for doing experiments that will help you learn. The books, at least in my experience, are more helpful for helping you not misunderstand, rather than making you understand in the first place (I hope that sentence makes sense).