An open request to LÖVE library authors...

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Re: An open request to LÖVE library authors...

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Robin wrote:I do no such thing. This has nothing to do with skill, only with the community. I love this community and that's why I want to improve it.
I sort of agree with Kaboda on this. We shouldn't look for female programmers nor let someone "be a role model" just because they are female.

This community is _not_ sexist nor any other form of -ist. We shouldn't strive to welcome any female programmers, rather, welcome all programmers. It is true that there are stereotypes in both gaming and programming about women. I play online games as well as make them, and it's uncommon to find women.

However, when you do find them, there's always the jerk saying women can't play video games. There's also always that pervert who asking her for "pics". I've noticed that several female gamers tend to either hide their gender or are kind of... "flagrant" with it. What I mean by this is that they constantly talk about it and when anyone tries to give any form of criticism they're instantly sexist. I don't mean this to stereotype female gamers/programmers, there are those who are passive with it.

We should should welcome all programmers. If we recognize any one person for anything but their skill and their personality in this wonderful community we have, that's counter-productive to gender balance. We shouldn't look at gender for the role models, rather, we should look at who they are. We don't need female role models, we just need role models. We shouldn't actively boost females nor just ignore them.
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Re: An open request to LÖVE library authors...

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Robin wrote:I do no such thing. This has nothing to do with skill, only with the community. I love this community and that's why I want to improve it.
I'm not questioning that at all. And I'm not saying we shouldn't recognize women and sweep their gender under a rug. All I'm trying to point out is that when you make special provisions for a group of people it comes with certain connotations. Invite your female fiends to the community, but also invite your black and middle eastern friends along with your boring white male friends too.
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Re: An open request to LÖVE library authors...

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Okay. Our lovers do hail from almost every part of the globe, though, so I'm less inclined to see that as an issue. It's true, Europeans and Northern Americans are over-represented, but we also have folks from Burkina Faso, Argentina, Brazil (a lot, actually), Russia (or does that count as European?), Egypt, Indonesia, Venezuela, Colombia, Singapore, China and at this point I'm too bored to keep looking for other countries.
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Re: An open request to LÖVE library authors...

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Hm. A lot of good points raised in this thread. As for policy, I think:
- If someone makes something (a library, etc.), it's their property and they can call it whatever they want.
- HOWEVER, that doesn't mean the community has to accept it. If something is offensive, the community may decide to remove it from the forums, wiki, and so on. It may be argued that it's the community's duty to do so, to promote growth, professionalism, and what have you.
- Like the "love anal" example, it's not good if new Lovers are trying to learn about a library and end up finding adult content instead. Remember, that stuff may be morally or legally prohibited to different degrees, depending on the Lover and where they live. I don't think we want to be responsible for sending under-aged Love2D users toward adult content.
- The more popular a library is, the more important it is for it to have a "clean" name. After all, this name will be frequently showing up in tutorials, credits of games, competitions like Ludum Dare, and wherever discussion of Love2D occurs. It very well may be one of the first things people see when learning about Love2D. Giving a bad impression is good for neither community nor author.
- Less-used and exotic libraries don't face such issues to the same degree.

And in my personal opinion:
- Lewd library names do make me chuckle from time to time.
- I almost never use lewd names for my own libraries (the exception is TLboner, a name which the community wanted).
- What's in a name? Using a less-offensive name is a pretty small sacrifice for potentially not turning away new Lovers. Also, lewd names may not look so good in a portfolio.
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